Is the mysterious 'eye' island near Argentina hiding an alien base? Kickstarter campaign to investigate bizarre rotating island launched

MailOnline  04/09/16

'The Eye' can be found using the coordinates: 34°15'07.8'S 58°49'47.4'W

Island is shaped like a perfect circle and is said to rotate on its own axis

Some alien hunters believe it is the top of an underwater alien base

Film crew and experts raising funds to study the island and shoot a movie


PUBLISHED: 22:38, 29 August 2016 | UPDATED: 00:01, 30 August 2016

A strange and almost perfect circular island sits near the northeastern edge of Argentina, which is said to float on its own axis in the middle of a swampy marsh.

Called 'The Eye', this mysterious land is surrounded by a tiny channel of clear water and some believe it is camouflage for a massive alien base that lays quietly beneath the surface.

Now, a team of researchers and filmmakers have opened a Kickstarter campaign to help fund their investigation of these bizarre claims, with the hopes of uncovering the mystery of this remote island once and for all.

6'The Eye' is an almost perfect circular island land that is surrounded by a tiny channel of clear water and some believe it is camouflage for a massive alien base that lays quietly beneath the surface

'The Eye' was spotted by a film crew six months, while they were searching for a place to shoot a documentary.

The plugged the coordinates 34°15'07.8'S 58°49'47.4"W and discovered an almost perfect spherical landmass floating in the middle of a tiny channel of water.

The team flew to the remote area in order to see the island for themselves.

'The Eye' is about 130 yards in diameter and floats on its own axis.

The surrounding channel of water is incredibly clear and cold - something totally unusual in the area.

And the land on the island is solid, which is very different from the surrounding swampy marsh.

The film crew has yet to state what 'The Eye' is but Scott C Waring from UFO Sightings Daily believes it is hiding an underwater alien base.

'We have discovered a mysterious island near the Parana river, which, intriguingly, moves and rotates on its own axis,' Richard Petroni, a hydraulic and civil engineer from New York who is involved in the project, said in a press release.

'Besides, it features a neat circular structure bordered by another perfectly circular streak of water.'

'It's something real and accounts for several supernatural stories bearing connections to UFOs and other paranormal aspects.'

Petroni has teamed up with Argentine film director & producer Sergio Neuspillerm, who made the discovery, as well as tech expert and founder of a telecommunications company, Pablo Martinez,for this journey.

'The Eye' can be found on Google Maps using the coordinates: 34°15'07.8'S 58°49'47.4"W.

It is located in the Parana Delta between the cities of Campana and Zarate in Buenos Aires, Argentina.

The island was first spotted by the film crew six months ago when they were looking for a place to shoot a film covering other paranormal occurrences, such as ghost and alien sightings, in the area.

After the team plugged in the specific coordinates and saw the mysterious spherical landmass on the computer screen, they knew they had to see it with their own eyes.

'When locating this reference in the map we discovered something unexpected that left the film project in the background, we call it 'The Eye',' said Neuspillerm in a video.

Ateam of researchers and filmmakers have opened a Kickstarter campaign to help fund their investigation of these bizarre claims. It was first spotted by the film crew six months ago when they were looking for a place to shoot a film covering other paranormal occurrences, such as ghost and alien sightings, in the area

'The Eye is a circle of land surrounded by a thin channel of water with a diameter of 130 yards.'

'Both circles [the water and land] are so perfect that it is hard to believe that this is a natural formation'.

The team trekked through the marshy surroundings, trying to find an entry point, but were unable to make their way to the island.

Finally, in their second attempt and after eight hours of hiking, they stumbled upon 'The Eye'.

'The Eye' can be found on Google Maps using the coordinates: 34°15'07.8'S 58°49'47.4"W. It is located in the Parana Delta between the cities of Campana and Zarate in Buenos Aires, Argentina

'The place was amazing and extremely strange,' said Neuspillerm.

'We discovered that the water is incredibly clear and cold, something totally unusual in the area.'

'The bottom is hard in contrast to the swampy marshes surrounding it and the center part floats.'

'We don't know over what, but it floats.'

They also discovered that the water is incredibly clear and cold (pictured), something totally unusual in the area. Now the team is seeking $50,000 via Kickstarter to support their next expedition, which they will to turn into a documentary film.The locals have their own take of the mysterious island that floats on its own axis – they believe 'a circle inside another circle represents God on Earth'.


Was a 5,000 year old vimana

unearthed in Afghanistan by the US



A vimana has been discovered in a cave in Afghanistan. It has attracted the attention of world leaders including U.S. president Obama. A group of soldiers made the discovery on a scout mission in the desert of Afghanistan. 8 U.S. troops are missing after making the discovery. FYI a vimana is an ancient flying machine described in ancient Indian  Sanskrit epics. The vimana found in Afghanistan is reported to be an estimated 5,000 years old. It is said to be protected by a strange energy barrier that is preventing troops from extracting the vimana.

What caused the sudden rush of these most powerful leaders of the Western World to go to Afghanistan, this report continues, was to directly view the discovery by US Military scientists of what is described as a “Vimana” entrapped in a “Time Well” that has already caused the “disappearance” of at least 8 American Soldiers trying to remove it from the cave it has been hidden in for the past estimated 5,000 years

From the ancient accounts found in the Sanskrit epic The Mahabharata, we know that a Vimana measured twelve cubits in circumference, with four strong wheels. Apart from its ‘blazing missiles’, The Mahabharata records the use of its other deadly weapons that operated via a circular ‘reflector’. When switched on, it produced a ‘shaft of light’ which, when focused on any target, immediately ‘consumed it with its power’.

Most intriguing of all about this report is its stating that not just any Vimana has been discovered, but from the ancient writings contained in the cave where it was discovered, it claims that its “rightful owner” is the ancient prophet Zoroaster who was the founder of arguably one of the most important religions of all time called Zoroastrianism.

Watch the Video for further clarity.

Comments:- 20/05/16 by S N Strutt, author of this website:

I have personally seen this particular video of the UFO discovered in a cave in AFGANISTAN some years ago, but now the VDEO has been taken off the net!

Is it true that US soldiers in Afghanistan had found a 5000 year old "VIMANA"?

Well, something like that news came to the media in 2013 but they didn't extract that from the cave and instead some soldiers were lost at that place.

I haven't searched means I can not say too much on this topic.

WHY NOW? WHAT IS REALLY HAPPENING? WHAT DOES IT ALL MEAN? (Comments by Steve, author of this website.)

 INTODUCTION & COMMENTARY by Stephen Strutt, author of this website and the book "OUT OF THE BOTTOMLESS PIT" -28/01/16






2016 X-Files Exposes Elite’s Genocidal Plan: From Global Banking Collapse to Alien Deception


While at this moment is not possible to verify whether or not X-Files is being used to help awaken the masses or will eventually be used to lead the masses down the wrong path, we see this new (old) show is getting an awful lot of attention and topics that have generally only been covered by the alternative media are now seeing massive amounts of attention from people who may have never been exposed to them thanks to the X-Files.

Will X-Files be used to lead people down ‘the wrong’ path as Mulder clearly believes they led him?

Watch this short video from SGTReport and decide for yourself:

READ the new AMAZING and EXCITING PARANORMAL book by new author S N Strutt, who has himself been a witness on 3 different occasions to UFO sightings, as well as meeting the ominous and infamous MEN in BLACK. 
Find out more:-

READ the new AMAZING and EXCITING PARANORMAL book by new author S N Strutt, who has himself been a witness on 3 different occasions to UFO sightings, as well as meeting the ominous and infamous MEN in BLACK.
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UFO Sighting 2015: 3 Giant

Spaceships Reportedly Caught

Passing the Sun


UFO SightingScreenshot from YouTube Video

In what would spur the interest of UFO (unidentified flying objects) enthusiasts, a fleet of three identical giant spaceships were reportedly spotted passing the sun in an image captured by NASA's Solar and Heliospheric Observatory (SOHO).

YouTube user, Streetcap1 (via Inquisitr) has uploaded a 56-second picture video that shows three identical UFOs passing the sun.

"I am not going to keep on posting these as I want to do other stuff, however thought this one would be quite hard to dismiss as three CME's hitting the camera lens at the same time, although I could be wrong," said the description of the video.

"This is amazing! Streetcap1 of Youtube has caught a fleet of three big ships following one another in formation passing our sun. Now, when aliens start moving fleets, you know something big is up. This is a very rare occurrence and very important one," wrote Scott C Waring, editor of UFO Daily Sightings

Interestingly, conspiracy theorists have claimed that mysterious objects were spotted on NASA photo.

It was reported a few weeks ago that three alien spaceships were spotted escaping the earth's atmosphere in the video captured from NASA live feed.

The live feed from the International Space Station (ISS) was mysteriously cut by the space agency but not before three UFOs (unidentified flying objects) were caught flying pass the earth's atmosphere into the space, reported Mirror

NASA employees: HUGE Alien Structures And UFOs on the DARK, FAR SIDE OF THE MOON

Online UFO enthusiasts and conspiracy theorists have for long accused NASA of covering up evidence of existence of UFOs and massive alien structures on the dark far side of the Moon. Mars anomaly hunters have made similar claims about the planet Mars since NASA’s Opportunity and Curiosity rovers began sending to Earth photographs of the Martian terrain.

The conviction shared widely in the online UFO and alien community is that NASA is hiding the evidence because the U.S. government has entered into secret alliances with certain alien races or species to share advanced technological knowledge.

But UFO enthusiasts claim that the carefully guarded secrets of the U.S. government are being exposed in the 21st century era of the Internet where information is readily available and shared.

Online UFOlogists have made claims ranging from ordinary and mundane to bizarre and even absurd claims of UFO and alien sightings linked with the International Space Station, the Moon, and Mars.

But probably what has been the mainstay of the conviction among UFO enthusiasts that NASA is indeed hiding information about its knowledge of aliens and UFOs comes from testimonies and confessions by former top ranking civil and military officials.

Some NASA employees have also made stunning disclosures that NASA is hiding information about its knowledge of alien UFOs and about astronauts having direct contact with aliens.







UFO buzzes NYC


April 27, 2015 |SOURCE:- NEW YORK POST



A "flying spaceship" (the red light) was spotted soaring around The Bronx Saturday night.

Photo: Andres Morales

The truth is out there — and it’s hovering over The Bronx.

A mysterious light in the sky so freaked out some Hunts Points residents that they called authorities to report their only possible explanation: the arrival of aliens from outer space.

A “flying spaceship” is moving swiftly over East 149th Street and the Bruckner Expressway, one terrified woman told a 911 operator Saturday night, according to an FDNY source.

Juan Marrero said he, too, had a close encounter.

“I look up and see this fireball, ‘Whoosh!’ and then another, ‘Whoosh!’ ” said Marrero, 57, a pigeon fancier who was on the roof of his building at 11:30 p.m. when he saw two bright lights streaking across the sky. “From one side of the sky to the other, too fast for an airplane.”

Andres Morales, 25, said he also saw the speedy orb — and did his best to document his out-of-this-world experience.

“I stuck my hand out the car window and snapped like crazy,” he told The Post. “I don’t know what it was but it was moving crazy fast.”

It’s not the first time locals have said extraterrestrial immigrants boogied down from another galaxy to check out the neighborhood. Unusual lights in the sky were seen in the same area last year, and also in 2011, according to self-described “UFO journalist” Ryan Sprague.

“I definitely think we’re dealing with anomalies that could potentially be nonhuman,” Sprague said.

East 149th Street is close to La Guardia Airport, which could lead to “misidentifications,” Sprague conceded, though he said witnesses should not be discounted.

Those who saw the orb on Saturday, and the one last May, echoed the same description — a light that “just sort of hovered, stationary, and then shot off in the blink of an eye,” he stressed.

“The maneuvers these objects seem to be making don’t fit with any current technology that we’re aware of,” Sprague said.

“They’re not moving, then darting off at unbelievable speeds,” he explained. “I just don’t think that’s something a human could survive.”

Triangle UFO Photographed Near Sedona Arizona

This is an early peek for my loyal Supernatural Worldview readers:

While we were researching On the Path of the Immortals my wife Shelley Putnam captured this triangle UFO as it flew by in the distance near Sedona Arizona. The pine tree offers perspective, and the sharp triangle shape appears like a three-dimensional object in the distance would, if it were heading toward Secret Canyon. Arizona is famous for the Phoenix Lights case involving an enormous triangle that flew over that major city. Like that craft, this one also flew silently. In fact, we didn’t notice it in the image until we returned home to analyze the photos. The tree gives some scale and implies a large, three-dimensional object some distance away. Make sure to like the new Facebook Page On the Path of the Immortals!  (click on the image for full size)

I had the photo analyzed by Daniel Wright the graphic artist and photoshop whiz who does our book covers, Stan Deyo  an author with UFO expertise, and Richard Shaw the videographer and producer of the Watchers series with LA Marzulli. They all give educated opinions in the book, coming soon in May, but stay tuned here and at SkywatchTV for more details.

What is this mysterious purple disc flying over Peru? TV host interrupts interview so cameras can focus on 'UFO' (Feb 2015)

hovering over th city.

  • Television crew captured purple disc-shaped UFO hovering over Lima
  • Eyewitnesses said object was above the Peruvian city for two hours
  • Thousands have taken to social media to discuss what it could be
  • Some believe it is proof of aliens, others think it's a drone or plastic bag 
  • Raelian movement claims the UFO is somehow linked to their initiative to persuade the Peruvian government to build an extraterrestrial embassy

A television crew captured this astonishing footage which appears to show a purple disc-shaped UFO hovering about a city construction site.

The production crew in Lima, Peru, were filming a programme when they interrupted it in order to focus on what appears to be a 'UFO' hovering over the city.

The purple-colored disc-shaped object can be seen hovering in the sky near a construction site, but so far, there has been no official explanation for the object. 

The purple-colored disc-shaped object (pictured) was spotted hovering in the sky in the city of Lima, in Peru

The unidentified purple object was seen above this construction site - it can be seen just under the crane

According to Peru This Week, television show 'Alto al Crimen' - an investigative program aimed at preventing high level crime - was shooting an episode in the upscale Miraflores district of Lima on February 10 when they spotted the unusual object.

The show's host, Lima Congressman Renzo Reggiardo, halted an interview in order to allow his camera operator to focus on the strange-looking purple object in the sky.

Eyewitnesses reported seeing the object hovering over the city for up to two hours.

Thousands of people have taken to social media to discuss what they think the mysterious purple object is and the video has already been viewed more than 100,000 times.


February 11, 2015 - A stunning Ministry of Foreign Affairs (MFA) report on Prime Minister Medvedev’s agenda at the World Economic Forum (WEF) this week states that Russia will warn President Obama that the “time has come” for the world to know the truth about aliens, and if the United States won’t participate in the announcement, the Kremlin will do so on its own.

The WEF (The Forum) is a Swiss non-profit foundation, based in Cologny, Geneva and describes itself as an independent international organization committed to improving the state of the world by engaging business, political, academic and other leaders of society to shape global, regional and industry agendas. The Forum is best known for its annual meeting in Davos, a mountain resort in Graubünden, in the eastern Alps region of Switzerland. The meeting brings together some 2,500 top business leaders, international political leaders, selected intellectuals and journalists to discuss the most pressing issues facing the world, including health and the environment.

Medvedev is scheduled to open this years Forum where as many as 50 heads of government, including Germany’s Angela Merkel and Britain’s David Cameron, will attend the five-day meeting that begins on 23 January.

Critical to note about this years Forum is that the WEF, in their 2013 Executive Summary, scheduled for debate and discussion a number of items under their X Factors from Nature category, and which includes the “discovery of alien life” of which they state: “Proof of life elsewhere in the universe could have profound psychological implications for human belief systems.”

Equally critical to note is that Medvedev, after completing a 7 December 2012 on-camera interview with reporters in Moscow, continued to respond to reporters and made some off-air comments without realizing that his microphone was still on. He was then asked by one reporter if “the president is handed secret files on aliens when he receives the briefcase needed to activate Russia’s nuclear arsenal,” Medvedev responded:

“Along with the briefcase with nuclear codes, the president of the country is given a special ‘top secret’ folder. This folder in its entirety contains information about aliens who visited our planet… Along with this, you are given a report of the absolutely secret special service that exercises control over aliens on the territory of our country… More detailed information on this topic you can get from a well-known movie called Men In Black… I will not tell you how many of them are among us because it may cause panic.”

Western news sources reporting on Medvedev’s shocking reply about aliens stated that he was “joking” as he mentioned the movie Men In Black, which they wrongly assumed was a reference to the 1997 American sci-fi adventure comedy about two top secret agents battling aliens in the US.

Medvedev, however, wasn’t referring to the American movie but was, instead, talking about the famous Russian movie documentary Men In Black which details many UFO and alien anomalies.

Where Western news sources quoted Medvedev as saying “More detailed information on this topic you can get from a well-known movie called ‘Men In Black,’” his actual answer was, “You can receive more detailed information having watched the documentary film of the same name.”

The reason(s) for Western propaganda news outlets deliberately distorting Medvedev’s words become apparent after his shocking statement, and as evidenced in just one example of their so called reporting on this disclosure of alien life already being on our planet where the title of one such article was “Russian Prime Minister Dmitri Medvedev makes a crack about aliens, and conspiracists promptly lose their minds.”

If anyone is “losing their minds” about aliens, it must be pointed out, it is certainly not Russia, but the Vatican, which in November 2009 announced it was “preparing for extraterrestrial disclosure”.

Equally, and apparently, “losing their minds” are US government officials themselves, such as former Pentagon consultant Timothy Good, and author of Above Top Secret: The Worldwide U.F.O. Cover-Up, who in February 2012 stated that former President Dwight Eisenhower had three secret meetings with aliens who were ‘Nordic’ in appearance and wherein a ‘Pact’ was signed to keep their agenda on Earth secret.

With the recent discovery in the Russian city of Vladivostok of a 300-million-year-old UFO tooth-wheel, and scientists, astronauts and YouTube users reporting increasingly strange happenings on the moon, the European Space agency reporting their discovery of a 1,000 ancient river on Mars, and UK and Sri Lanka scientists saying they now have “rock solid proof of alien life” after finding fossilized algae inside meteorite, the only ones who seem to be truly “losing their minds” are the Western, especially American, propagandists who for decades have covered up one of the most important stories in all of human history that “we are not alone.”

  If Medvedev will be able to convince the Obama regime to tell the truth about UFO and aliens at the WEF this week it is not in our knowing. What is in our knowing, though, is that with or without the US, the Kremlin will surely begin the process of telling the truth about that which we already know to be true.


In addition to the alien disclosure Russia threatened the US with smoking gun satellite photos proving 9/11 was an inside job just yesterday.

HERE is the LINK:-

February 10, 2015 - Pravda released a SHOCKING report that has the Illuminati running the United States literally freaking out in fear since they’ve been caught over 9/11!

Putin is now threatening to release smoking gun satellite photos that prove 9/11 was a false flag completed by components of our government just as he released the smoking gun satellite videos proving the US backed Kiev government shot down MH-13 when the Fake News told us for months that Russia shot it down!

Even to this day the US won’t admit to this crime by the Kiev government we place into power!b When the proof came out that our puppet government shot down MH-13 on VeteransToday, the Fake News dropped the story like a hot potato and that was the last you heard about it as usual! Now the Fake News is lying and saying that we need to arm Ukraine due to the fact of “Russian Aggression!”

This is all lies of course and recently as reported by VeteransToday, John McCain just admitted that Ukraine is guilty of war crimes! He admitted that Kiev used cluster bombs on Civilians but said they had to simply because we wouldn’t give them the GPS weapons they wanted! How’s that for some twisted logic!

What most Americans don’t recognize that watch the fake News and support the fake “tip of the spear” alternative media is that Russia has already provided smoking gun proof on who did 9/11 and this has only been discussed extensively on Veterans Today and Veterans Today Radio shows.

Under you will hear the radio broadcast that first broke the story. Please share it with everyone if you want justice!

You have no thought what you don’t know about 9/11 unless you hear this interview and study every thing by Gordon Duff and the rest of US Intelligence that writes for VT. This information was given to CNN also but they sat on it and only VT published and verified it all with other sources in the US Government and French Intelligence. 9/11 was a nuclear attack, there had been no airplanes involved. No plane hit the towers or the Pentagon.

The Pentagon was hit with a cruise missile that hit directly on the conference space where the Capable Danger investigative group at the Pentagon have been told to go correct before the missile hit! No planes hit the towers, it was all CGI trickery and holograms that we’ve had for decades. Bear in mind, all of this info on 9/11 ONLY came out on VeteransToday so if you are spreading stories kind option media sites that censor VeteransToday, you’re really assisting the enemy!

Now Putin is openly threatening the US at delivering satellite images of what most men and women already know – that 9/11 was an inside job and members of the US Government planned and executed the attack along with members of another government explained in the video above.

Here’s the Google translation of the following story in Pravda!

US fears Russian publication of satellite images of the tragedy of 9/11

American specialists believe that regardless of the reality that relations among the US and Russia reached the worst point since the Cold War, Putin delivered until Obama only minor troubles. Analysts believe that this “calm just before the storm.” Putin is going to hit once, but he’s going to hit hard. Russia is preparing the release of evidence of the involvement of the US government and intelligence services to the September 11 attacks. In the list of evidence consists of satellite photos, the site secretsofthefed. com.

Published material can prove malice government towards the individuals of the US and the successful manipulation of public opinion. US government planned to attack, but spent her proxy. So that an attack on America and the men and women of the United States looked like an act of aggression of international terrorism.

The motive for deception and murder its personal citizens served as US oil interests in the Middle East state corporations.

Why Are UFO's & Alien Life Suddenly Being Discussed In The Mainstream?

Is the government and media gearing up for disclosure?

  16th January 2015

The amount of mainstream coverage extraterrestrials are getting is increasing, could the press and the government be prepping us for disclosure?

There was a time when the mainstream press would only cover aliens and UFO’s if it were a satirical piece, after all aliens were relegated to the realm of tin foil hats and science fiction. Recently however more and more publications are talking about the possibility of alien life like it is becoming science fact.

This open discussion of these topics in publications such as The Guardian, The Daily Mail, Metro, The Huffington Post and even Sky News to name a few. The headlines openly discuss the possibilities of alien life and the vastness of space and the likelihood we will find life.

NASA have been have made countless discoveries in recent years that indicate that planets in our own solar system were once alive and had water flowing on the surface. The Telegraph in 2011 would run headlines such as ‘Alien Life Deemed Impossible’. Professor Brian Cox who holds great sway over mainstream audiences when it comes to space ad the unknown also stated that alien life was impossible.

Former MoD Nick Pope discusses the possibility that the government was prepping us for alien disclosure through our news and media outlets

Last December former MoD Nick Pope discusses the possibility that the government was prepping us for alien disclosure through our news and media outlets, by openly discussing these subjects and slowly introducing the concept that it may be true over time you can condition the public to accept the news without fear.           

Nick Pope said, “it wasn’t long ago that UFO shows were consigned to networks like Syfy, but there are now only a tiny handful of channels that won’t touch the subject. It’s gone from fringe to mainstream in a matter of a couple of years. Is this part of a campaign to acclimatise people to an extra-terrestrial reality, ahead of an official announcement? Is Disclosure just around the corner?”

The UK government is also set to declassify more of its “X Files” and make them publicly available on the National Archives in late 2015.  Nick Pope said, “This is a hugely embarrassing situation for the government.

"Last summer they told the media and the public that yes, this was absolutely all the UFO files and there was a big fanfare about this being the end of a five year programme to declassify and release the entire archive. Now they say, 'Oh, wait a minute, we've found a whole bunch of further UFO files'”.

The total count of confirmed planets discovered by the Kepler Telescope is now at 1004, including two earthlike planets.

This combination of declassifying government documents and widespread media coverage of aliens and UFO’s seem to be gearing us up to accept they exist on mass. Even today (Jan 16) the mainstream press are publishing article about the search of life sustaining planets and how thousands more have been dicovered.

It was just the other week that NASA were saying they have thousands of life sustaining planet candidats. The concept of alien life is without doubt slowly being introduced to the public consciousness. What do you think, are we being prepped for a big disclousure in 2015?


Jacques Vallee


Jacques Vallee Discusses UFO Control System

Jerome Clark, FATE Magazine, 1978

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Summary: Noted scientist-UFO researcher proposes a startling theory about what UFOs may be, how they behave and what we can do about them. Interview by Jerome Clark.


Dr. Jacques Vallee, a French-American computer specialist with a background in astrophysics, once served as consultant to NASA's Mars Map project.

Jacques Vallee is one of ufology's major figures - and also its most original thinker.

Vallee, who holds a master's degree in astrophysics and a Ph.D. in computer science from Northwestern University, was an early scientific proponent of the theory that UFOs are extraterrestrial spaceships. His first book, Anatomy of a Phenomenon (Henry Regnery, 1965), argued eloquently that "through UFO activity … the contours of an amazingly complex intelligent life beyond the earth can already be discerned." In Challenge to Science - The UFO Enigma (Regnery, 1966) he and Janine Vallee (who is a psychologist by training, with a master's degree from the University of Paris) urged the scientific community to consider the UFO evidence in this light.

But by 1969, when he published Passport to Magonia (Regnery), Vallee's assessment of the UFO phenomenon had undergone a significant shift. Much to the consternation of the "scientific ufologists" who had seen him as one of their champions, Vallee now seemed to be backing away from the extraterrestrial hypotheses and advancing the radical view that UFOs are paranormal in nature and a modern space age manifestation of a phenomenon which assumes different guises in different historical contexts.

" When the underlying archetypes are extracted," he wrote, "the saucer myth is seen to coincide to a remarkable degree with the fairy-faith of Celtic countries … religious miracles… and the widespread belief among all peoples concerning entities whose physical and psychological descriptions place them in the same category as the present-day ufonauts."

In The Invisible College (E.P. Dutton, 1975) Vallee posits the idea of a "control system." UFOs and related phenomena are "the means through which man's concepts are being rearranged." Their ultimate source may be unknowable, at least at this stage of human development; what we do know, according to Vallee, is that they are presenting us with continually recurring "absurd" messages and appearances which defy rational analysis but which nonetheless address human beings on the level of myth and imagination.

"When I speak of a control system for planet earth," he says, " I do not want my words to be misunderstood: I do not mean that some higher order of beings has locked us inside the constraints of a space-bound jail, closely monitored by psychic entities we might call angels or demons. I do not propose to redefine God. What I do mean is that mythology rules at a level of our social reality over which normal political and intellectual action has no power…."

Vallee is also coauthor, with J. Allen Hynek, of The Edge of Reality (Regnery, 1975). A resident of the San Francisco area, he is completing a book which further develops his theories concerning UFO phenomena.

We have talked together at some length about his beliefs. The following interview is a report of these conversations:

Clark: Since the great autumn 1973 sighting wave public attitudes about the UFO phenomenon seem to have changed dramatically, to the extent that society may be entering a pivotal period in its perception of the problem. What do you think will happen now?

Vallee: First, I expect increased government and scientific attention to it. More researchers will be pursuing the physical evidence aspects, conducting much more sophisticated investigations of traces left at landing sites and so on. The people moving into the field now are good physicists and good engineers who know what they are doing and who are convinced it is time for them to get involved.

At the same time I expect that public opinion will change also. Initially it probably will move strongly toward the extraterrestrial explanation. Most people see only two ways to look at the problem - either it's all nonsense or we're being visited from outer space. The current spate of movies, books and magazine articles is going to push people toward the extraterrestrial hypothesis. After that I expect a backlash effect may push them in the other direction. I don't know where that's going to leave scientists who want to do research.

Clark: You say that scientists are entering ufology in search of physical evidence. But is there physical evidence? And if there is, are they going to find it? What happens if they don't?

Vallee: If I were speaking for them I would say, "Jerry, it's premature to ask those questions." One doesn't know the answers until one really looks - and so far nobody has looked very seriously. So far the people who have looked have been military types searching for enemy craft or direct threats to national security. Or they've been superficial investigators, dedicated civilians with good training but limited time and limited resources.

But you're asking me what I think. I think there are physical data. They are very, very interesting. They may contain a message. My inclination is to look at the message both in a physical sense and in a symbolic sense, but that's because I'm an information scientist and not a physical scientist. I look for the meaning behind the object.

Let me give you an example of what I mean. Recently Paul Cerny investigated a case in northern California in which two older persons saw a UFO take off. Afterwards they saw a sort of ring on the ground. Within the ring they found some molten metal and a pile of sand.

Obviously here is physical evidence. Two tangible things - the molten metal, which turned out to be brass, and the sand. I took some of the latter to a geologist friend who knows about sand. He said it was highly unusual because it did not contain quartz and it was not stream sand or beach sand or residue from mining or anything else. It seemed to be artificial sand created from grinding together stones of different origin.

Well, to a physicist that may not mean too much. It's an indication of something that turns out to be absurd. We can put it alongside other cases of physical traces and then we may start looking for patterns which might lead us to a better understanding of the modus operandi of whoever's doing all this.

In that sense, yes, there is physical evidence. But if you mean physical evidence in the sense that we're going to discover somebody's propulsion system from it, I would have to say I don't expect that to happen.

Clark: Can we infer from the existence of physical evidence, then, that there is a physical cause?

Vallee: If the UFO phenomenon had no physical cause at all, there would be no way for us to perceive it because human beings are physical entities. So it has to make an impression on our senses somehow. For that to take place, it has to be physical at some time.

Clark: So in other words there is such a thing as a solid, three-dimensional flying saucer.

Vallee: No, I didn't say that. That may or may not be true. I don't think there is such a thing as the flying saucer phenomenon. I think it has three components and we have to deal with them in different ways.

First, there is a physical object. That may be a flying saucer or it may be a projection or it may be something entirely different. All we know about it is that it represents a tremendous quantity of electromagnetic energy in a small volume. I say that based upon the evidence gathered from traces, from electromagnetic and radar detection and from perturbations of the electromagnetic fields such as Dr. Claude Poher, the French space scientist, has recorded.

Second, there's the phenomenon the witnesses perceive. What they tell us is that they've seen a flying saucer. Now they may have seen that or they may have seen an image of a flying saucer or they may have hallucinated it under the influence of microwave radiation, or any of a number of things may have happened. The fact is that the witnesses were exposed to an event and as a result they experienced a highly complex alteration of perception which caused them to describe the object or objects that figure in their testimony.

Beyond there - the physical phenomenon and the perception phenomenon - we have the third component, the social phenomenon. That's what happens when the reports are submitted to society and enter the cultural arena. That's the part which I find most interesting.

Clark: Before we go into that, let's clarify your views on the nature of the physical aspect. When I asked you if there was such a thing as a solid, three-dimensional flying saucer, I was thinking in these terms: Let's suppose that somebody says he has seen a UFO, the bottom part of which was flat and circular. He says he saw the object come down, settle on the soil and then fly off again, leaving a flat circular impression. Doesn't that clearly suggest the presence - at least for the duration of the sighting - of a solid object whose physical structure was more or less as the witness perceived it?

Vallee: Not necessarily. We have evidence that the phenomenon has the ability to create a distortion of the sense of reality or to substitute artificial sensations for the real ones. Look at some of the more bizarre close encounter cases - for example the incident from South America in which one man believed he had been abducted by a UFO while his companion thought he had boarded a bus which had suddenly appeared on the road behind then.

It is conceivable that there is one phenomenon which is visual and another which creates the physical traces. What I'm saying is that a strange kind of deception may be involved.

Clark: In other words the physical traces are placed there as ostensible confirmation of what the senses perceived?

Vallee: Yes. It's comparable perhaps to the strategic deception operations of the British during World War II to fool the Germans. They created artificial tank tracks in the desert and in other ways simulated the passage of large armored divisions. They even caused dust storms to perpetuate the illusion, which the Germans found very convincing indeed.

In the UFO context that might explain cases such as the one in California I mentioned earlier, in which the "physical evidence" left in the wake of the UFO appearance really seemed to have no clear, unambiguous connection with the perceived "object."

Clark: What do you think happens during the "UFO experience?"

Vallee: We don't know. There is no question that something happens. It seems as if an external force takes control of people. In the close encounters people may lose their ability to move or to speak; in the abduction cases, which are the most extreme example, they gradually enter into a series of experiences during which they lose control of all their senses. Do they experience what they think they experience? Suppose you, an outside observer, had been there. What would you have seen?

Clark: I can think of several cases which might suggest I would have seen the same thing they saw. To cite an example, one of the famous Venezuelan humanoid encounters of late 1954 was independently observed by a doctor some distance from the scene.

Vallee: Yes, I'm familiar with that incident and similar ones. But that doesn't alter my point. The doctor may have experienced the object as "real" but we don't know what the nature of that reality is.

We know there are objects that contain a lot of energy in a small space. What do we know about what happens to the human brain when it's exposed to a great deal of energy? We know very little about that. We don't know much about the effects of electromagnetic or microwave radiation on the brain, nor about the effects of pulsating colored lights on the brain. The research into that is just beginning.

What we do know is that you can make people hallucinate using either lights or microwave or electromagnetic energy. You can also make them pass out; you can cause them to behave strangely, put them into shock, make them hear voices or even kill them.

Clark: Is there any way to penetrate to the reality of the experience, for example through hypnotic regression?

Vallee: I'm not sure that what we learn under hypnotic regression is useful. Hypnosis is really a delicate technique and some of the people in our field who are using it are doing more harm than good. If the hypnotist doesn't have medical training - and most of these people have no medical training - the results may be disastrous for the witness. But if the hypnotist does have medical training and doesn't have any knowledge of the subject, he may ask the wrong questions. I think that may have happened in the famous case of Betty and Barney Hill. The hypnotist was extremely skilled but was not especially interested in UFOs and didn't know the background of the problem.

Clark: What can we do, then?

Vallee: I'm not saying that hypnosis has no role to play in UFO investigation, nor that it can't be helpful under certain circumstances when percipients are blocking from their memories something they have seen or experienced.

The thing I really want to emphasize is that the investigator's first responsibility is to the witness and not to the UFO phenomenon. The average witness is in shock because he's had a very traumatic experience; what he's seen is going to change his life. Your intervention, the very fact that you're talking with him about it, is also going to have an effect on him. Now he may say to you, "I need help to understand what I saw," but in fact he needs more immediate help as a human being who is deeply troubled by a very disturbing experience.

Unfortunately this element has been neglected. The more UFO investigators try to appear "professional," the more they ignore that human aspect - and by extension their own ethical obligations. I want to convince my friends in UFO research that whenever we have a choice between obtaining interesting UFO data and taking chances with the life of a human being, we should forget the UFO data.

Another thing to keep in mind is that there are alternatives to the use of hypnosis. These involve putting the percipient into a state of relaxed revery or free association. There are several techniques that are equally as effective as hypnosis in bringing out the hidden details but are must less harmful. Investigators really haven't made use of these yet.

Clark: What do you think of the abduction cases?

Vallee: Again, I'm interested mainly in their symbolic contents.

Let me explain what I mean. We live in a society that is oriented toward technology, so when we see something unusual in the sky we think of it in physical terms. How is it manufactured? What makes it tick? What is its propulsion system? We tend to assume that the physical phenomenon is its most important aspect and that everything else is just a side effect and much less important.

But perhaps we're facing something which is basically a social technology. Perhaps the most important effects from the UFO technology are the social ones and not the physical ones. In other words the physical reality may serve only as a kind of triggering device to provide images for the witness to report. These perceptions are manipulated to create certain kinds of social effects.

If that's true, then the abduction cases are quite revealing. I am not concerned with how many switches there were on the control panel or whether the percipient felt hot or cold when he was inside the flying saucer. Those questions may be totally irrelevant because maybe that person never actually went inside the object.

But the report is extremely important for its symbolic content. It can help us understand what kinds of images are coming through. One might illustrate the difference in this way:

An engineer observing a computer would want to look at the back and open up the boxes. He would want to take a probe and examine the different parts of the computer. But there is another way of looking at it; the way of the programmer, who wants to sit in front of the computer and analyze what it does, not how it does it. That's my approach. I want to ask it questions and see what answers I get. I want to interact with it as an information entity.

In the case of the abductions I think we're dealing with the information aspect. I came to that conclusion because abduction cases, in close encounter cases in general, what the witness is saying is absurd.

Clark: What do you mean?

Vallee: I don't mean simply to imply that the account is silly. I mean it has absurdity as a semantic construction. If you're trying to express something which is beyond the comprehension of a subject, you have to do it through statements that appear contradictory or seem absurd. For example, in Zen Buddhism the seeker must deal with such concepts as "the sound of one hand clapping" - an apparently preposterous notion which is designed to break down ordinary ways of thinking. The occurrences of similar "absurd" messages in UFO cases brought me to the idea that maybe we're dealing with a sort of control system that is subtly manipulating human consciousness.

Clark: But how do you prove that one is operating in a UFO context?

Vallee: I've always been unhappy with the argument between those who believe UFOs are nonsense and those who believe they are extraterrestrial visitors. I don't think I belong in either camp. I've tried to place myself between those two extremes because there's no proof that either proposition is correct. I've come up with the control system concept because it is an idea which can be tested. In that sense it's much closer to a scientific hypotheses than the others. It may turn out that there is a control system which is operated by extraterrestrials. But that's only one possibility.

There are different kinds of control systems - open ones and closed ones - and there are tests you can apply to them to find out what kind of control system you're inside. That leads to a number of experiments you can do with the UFO phenomenon, whereas the other interpretations don't lead you to anything. If you're convinced that UFOs are extraterrestrial, then about the only thing you can do is to climb to a hilltop with a flashlight and send a message in Morse code. People have tried that, I know, but it doesn't seem to work very will!

The control system concept can be tested by a small group of people - you don't need a large organization or a lot of equipment - and you can start thinking about active intervention in the phenomenon.

Clark: How could I prove to my satisfaction that there is a control system in operations?

Vallee: If you think you're inside a control system, the first thing you have to look for is what is being controlled and try to change it to see what happens. My friend Bill Powers proposes the following analogy:

Suppose you're walking through the desert and you see a stone that looks as though it was painted white. A thousand yards later you see another stone of similar appearance. You stop and consider the matter. Either you can forget it or - if you're like me - you can pick up the stone and move it a few feet. If suddenly a bearded character steps out from behind a rock and demands to know why you moved his marker, then you know you've found a control system.

My point is that you can't be sure until you do something. Then you realize that what you were seeing, the thing that looked absurd and incongruous, was really a marker for a boundary that was invisible to everybody else until you discovered it because you looked for a pattern. I think that's exactly what we have to do with UFOs. We have to do something that will cause them to react. And I don't mean building landing strips in the desert and waiting out there to welcome the space brothers.

Clark: But what do you mean?

Vallee: I hesitate to be too specific. I'm speaking, as I'm sure you understand, of the attempted manipulation of UFO manifestations. It's a pretty tall order. We're assuming that there is a feedback mechanism involved in the operations of the control system; if you change the information that's carried back to that system, you might be able to infiltrate it through its own feedback.

Clark: How does one go about investigating UFOs, taking into consideration the possible existence of a control system?

Vallee: You should work outside any organized UFO group. Also you must be very careful about the types of instruments you use for your analysis. For example, I have become increasingly skeptical of the use of computers in UFO research. We're losing a great many data because of a certain situation that is developing: The field researcher will spend a lot of time and money investigating a case. Typically he will write it up in an excellent 10-to-20-page report; then he'll send it to his superiors in the organization, assuming that they are going to put it on the computer and that in this way it's going to add to some great body of knowledge.

But it doesn't. Investigators should understand that their reports go absolutely nowhere. They end up in a drawer somewhere, they are never published, and they're quickly forgotten. All that's left in the computer is a bunch of codes and letters and numbers on magnetic tape somewhere and that's the end of that.

For another thing you don't want to go around chasing every UFO that's reported. If a sighting gets a lot of publicity, you should stay the hell away from it. Instead you should go after cases that you select yourself, ones that have received very little publicity and you've heard about through personal channels. There are plenty of those and they are surprisingly rich in content. You should take your time investigating them. Get involved with the people as human beings. And then you have to become part of the scene, getting as close as you can to what's happening especially if it continues to happen.

Clark: Are you suggesting that the investigator should attempt to experience the phenomenon himself?

Vallee: Yes, I think that's sound scientific practice.

Clark: But isn't that rather dangerous - in the sense that there's a real risk the investigator, even if he is emotionally stable and intellectually sophisticated, might be overwhelmed by the experiences involved?

Vallee: Yes, there are dangers. Witness what happened to Morris Jessup or to Jim McDonald. But I think that now we're more aware of what the dangers are. Once you realize the phenomenon may be deliberately misleading, then you can use certain safeguards. I'm not saying that safeguards are always going to work. There is an element of danger you really can't avoid. There's no way to do that kind of study just by reading books.

It's a little bit like the study of volcanoes. You can learn a lot about them by watching them from a distance but you certainly learn a lot more when you can be right there - even if it's somewhat risky.

(Author: Aliens or Spirit Beings? I discuss this at length in my new book )


06.09.2015 22:45

John W.

UFO'S are a very interesting subject and hard to explain, as they simply defy all known science!

15.02.2015 20:12

John Webb

9/11 THE TRUTH at last! &Also ALIENS ARE HERE! by the RUSSIAN PRIME MINISTER - very believable!

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